London verses Sydney

This week has been horribly busy (for a number of reasons that will become apparent in the next couple of weeks), and this afternoon I am jumping on a plane to a conference on dwarf galaxies. The main reason for the conference is to give us a chance to celebrate the 60th birthday of astronomer
extraordinaire, Mike Irwin. I'll write more about this once I get back.

So, today, a quicky. I've spent the last 13 years living in Sydney, but did spend 3 years as an undergraduate in London. I was recently wondering about the relative sizes of the two, and wikipedia tells us that Sydney has a population of about 4.6 million, whereas London has a staggeringly accurate 8,308,369 residents (and bizarrely, this is a prime number). So, in terms of people, London is very roughly twice as large.

What about land area? Well, I saw this on a British Expats site recently
Possibly 20 times larger? I know London does feel large, but Sydney is no provincial town.

So, I decided to look, and found a nice website that let's you plot two maps on one scale. And here's you go

Now we have the question, just how big is a city? Cities have official boundaries, but these don't always correspond to density of people or houses etc. 

For London, we can take the concept of Greater London. This is approximately the land within the M25 motorway (but only approximately). From wikipedia, we can see that this looks like this
although there a lots of people not quite in London, living around the edge.

What about Sydney? Well Sydney does have a "Metropolitan Area"(although it doesn't seem to have too rigid a set of boundaries. In terms of local government, it looks like this.
But these only tell part of the story. Perhaps it's better to look at the map of the train network, and what trains are "suburban" as opposed to being intercity.

So, looking at our map of Sydney, it stretches from Penrith in the west, to the "city" in the east, Campbelltown in the south to Berowra in the north. Those dimensions are not dissimilar to the extent of London!

But again, that's not the entire story. It helps to look at the cities in terms of distribution of housing.
 Sydney has a lot of green! The link out to the west, through Plumpton and St Marys to Penrith is bounded by fields and farm land. Up in the north, there I live, the suburbs are intertwined with bushland. 

But there is no doubting the fact that London clearly is not 20 times the size of Sydney, although having lived there, and filed on to packed trains with millions of other people, I know that it can feel that way. Maybe a factor of two?  

And just to wrap up, here's Sydney compared to New York
and Cardiff (well, actually a large chunk of Old South Wales)
I could go on comparing places for ever, but have just remembered that I have a plane to catch!


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  2. Cool. I want to compare Sydney with Auckland now. We just had a weekend skiing and stayed in the town of Ohakune, whose local paper amusingly quoted someone saying Auckland was an "oversized metropolis". :-/

  3. Hi there

    Since you know both cities, could you tell me which Sydney area is most like West Hampstead in London? Many thanks.

    1. Tricky one - Hunters Hill maybe - old and established suburb (although if my memory serves me well, it used to have a uranium smelter, which is something I don't remember in Hampstead....)

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    3. Annandale, small village like area of the inner-west of Sydney

  4. An interesting experiment, Geraint - but the conclusion is still vague and as with all scientific experiments, improved data is required!

    1. While the size of the cities may be similar, the museums are of completely different scale. I could get lost in the Natural History and Science Museums in London for days and days. My kids generally leg it around the typical Australian museum in 20 minutes :)


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